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I just watched the 2012 national gun dog trial and also a SPO from the same time period. It looked like the SPO ran a little looser and faster than the gundog trial. Is this typical? I know nothing about the difference in the trails. Mr. Wade was wanting for my little girl to run my female in some trials and was just wondering what to put her in.
 

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When you say “gundog,” I assume you mean “gundog brace?” If so, I would say gundog brace requires a little cleaner hound. There are only two or three hounds running at the same time so every mistake shows. The dog better be running rabbit and not the other dog. When you run SPO you have a small pack, ~5-8 hounds. Your dog better like to beat other hounds and better have some get up and go. You can get away with a little wider check work and a little bit of dog racing. If I had a dog that was a little rougher and faster in my pack I would lean towards SPO. If I had a clean dog, I would get him to GDB.
Of course, a great hound can/should place and win in both classes. Unfortunately it probably matters just as much who is judging as what class you are running in. Some judges like a hard fast dog, others like a flawless one.
 

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When you say “gundog,” I assume you mean “gundog brace?” If so, I would say gundog brace requires a little cleaner hound. There are only two or three hounds running at the same time so every mistake shows. The dog better be running rabbit and not the other dog. When you run SPO you have a small pack, ~5-8 hounds. Your dog better like to beat other hounds and better have some get up and go. You can get away with a little wider check work and a little bit of dog racing. If I had a dog that was a little rougher and faster in my pack I would lean towards SPO. If I had a clean dog, I would get him to GDB.
Of course, a great hound can/should place and win in both classes. Unfortunately it probably matters just as much who is judging as what class you are running in. Some judges like a hard fast dog, others like a flawless one.
That’s about as good of an answer as you’ll get
 

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I also just watched the 13inch females 2018 spo national and I may be wrong but it looked like a train wreck. It didnt seem like the dogs could keep the rabbit going very long or consistantly. This may be not be right but I would be disappointed if my dogs stayed down that much. Could have been bad scent conditions I guess.
 

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5Solas gave the best answer possible. All I can do is go a little deeper. The pack we run last weekend had a good mix of the 2. David's lemon dogs and Kash are more SPO style although David's are clean enough to compete in either. His little black and tan, Sis, and your male are more suited for gundog brace.

From what I've seen in the GDB trials you gotta get some licks in quick, sometimes they only run 10 minutes, so you don't have time to get warmed up. You need a dog that can hold a line and make some turns. Any swaying or checking up on a straight line will get you sent home early. In SPO first impression is still important but they usually let them go longer because they are sorting through more dogs. You better bring a dog that can take the front and keep it.

I know the video you're talking about. It was sloppy to say the least. With everyone bringing dogs that are looking to run the front it can really make a mess when things don't go just right. At one point in the video the dogs over run a turn by a country mile. The look on the field marshall's face is priceless lol. That tells me the dog up front is an idiot for going that far without the track and the ones behind it are fools for following the idiot. Sure would have been nice to see one dog out of the bunch that wasn't playing follow the leader... Just part of it I guess.
 

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Good answers above. Best I can tell, it varies from club to club, judge to judge, state to state. After attending a few SPO trials and not being impressed by some of the head banging I saw, I was told try GDB because they like a smoother dog. I went and saw the same people and dogs that beat me in SPO beating me in GDB lol. The 15" male class may be rough and banging around while the 13" male class at the same club on the same day may be smooth or vice versa.

Here's what bugged me the most about trialing: Theres no way to be exact. They aren't perfect. I expected to see a standard followed and for the most part everything I read in the rule book and was taught at the seminar can be thrown out of the window in a second because everyone interprets it different(or doesn't care to apply it at all. Just pick what's up front, what they like, etc). Is that a good thing or a bad thing? I'm not sure. As a competitor I say its a bad thing, as a judge..Well.. things happen. If you are to watch 6+ strange dogs all running together for the first time theres no telling what you will see. Throw scent conditions and the way the rabbit decides to run that day(tricky short runs or long stretches)into the mix then you gotta do what you gotta do. I never liked the line "you can only judge whats there that day" until I judged a trial myself. I tried to apply the rule book the best I could but nothing is perfect unfortunately. I've left some trials before lunch because I could tell the direction it was heading and I didn't like it so I wasn't going to waste my time, and I've left trials at the end of the day realizing I needed to dog up. My advice would be go. They can be fun. If you're unsure then go as a spectator and just watch. It's worth a few trips to see if it's your cup of tea or not.
 

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You tube has all kinds of videos showing all kinds of events. SPO is a format per AKc same as gun dog brace.
UBGF is a federation. There is differences as to style among federations. There should only be the closest hound to rule book winning. If you aren’t sure of the rules you can down load a book from AKC
 
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