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If a beagle is in poor smelly living conditions will this hurt is sense of smell over time?
I had beagles on the ground for a bit then made them a above ground kennel. They still smell even hosing it down. Reason I ask is I have a Male that is an amazing hunting dog, very intense on finding a rabbit, it's his whole life desire. But he has a hard time jumping one. I've seen him running around trying to jump one that was 10 feet from him before. Checks aren't great either. Comes back bloody, hair missing, retrieves rabbits, best dog I got. Just can't smell great.
 

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Haha, I've had him for 3 years. I've also seen him run a rabbit 180 yards out and circle it back straight race coming out of the brush with his nose not even on the ground but in the air AFTER the rabbit was jumped up.

He always runs faster than his nose. He'll get so excited over finding a scent he'll jump 5 feet then nose back down, jump 5 feet nose back down. Not sure why he does this unless again answering my question not a great nose.
 

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Also is this a passed down genetic trait? I have a female a little slower than him but amazing line control, u could be ur whole check a rabbit stepped where she barked. But she is so mouthy he drives me nuts. I like tight mouth like the Male has, could I breed them and a pup have the males hunt and the females line control thus a better jump dog?
 

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Also is this a passed down genetic trait? I have a female a little slower than him but amazing line control, u could be ur whole check a rabbit stepped where she barked. But she is so mouthy he drives me nuts. I like tight mouth like the Male has, could I breed them and a pup have the males hunt and the females line control thus a better jump dog?
You will never know unless you try. It sounds like it might blend well and work.
 

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My thought is the male has a weak nose. I dont believe how a dog is being kenneled whether on the ground or above ground will affect his nose strength unless they aren't kept clean. I spray my kennels with pine sol and the ground underneath them with creolin which is a powerful cleaner and deodorizer. I have never seen any effects to their nose power. As far as breeding the male to the mouthy female you will probably get a mix. Some like dad, some like mom, and maybe some in between which is what your looking for. Just a crap shoot unless you keep and start whole litter. I personally can't do that but thats the best way to make sure you will get a pup you like.
 

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If a beagle is in poor smelly living conditions will this hurt is sense of smell over time?
I had beagles on the ground for a bit then made them a above ground kennel. They still smell even hosing it down. Reason I ask is I have a Male that is an amazing hunting dog, very intense on finding a rabbit, it's his whole life desire. But he has a hard time jumping one. I've seen him running around trying to jump one that was 10 feet from him before. Checks aren't great either. Comes back bloody, hair missing, retrieves rabbits, best dog I got. Just can't smell great.
How old is he? Has he been soloed much. Some young dogs or ones with not enough experience are rough and get goofy at times. Can you take him out and run a rabbit by himself that you can shoot? Sounds like a slightly weak nose with not enough soloing and rabbit smarts. You can develop that with time and tracks.
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Go to a farm store/elevator and buy some powder barn lime. Spread a small amount beneath the kennels, it will help tremendously, absorbs the smell. I used it when I lived in a small town, neighbors stated they never had problems with smelling my dogs. I still use it!
 

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How old is he? Has he been soloed much. Some young dogs or ones with not enough experience are rough and get goofy at times. Can you take him out and run a rabbit by himself that you can shoot? Sounds like a slightly weak nose with not enough soloing and rabbit smarts. You can develop that with time and tracks.
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Go to a farm store/elevator and buy some powder barn lime. Spread a small amount beneath the kennels, it will help tremendously, absorbs the smell. I used it when I lived in a small town, neighbors stated they never had problems with smelling my dogs. I still use it!
He is over 3 years. I haven't soloed him much at all and it's been awhile since I last have. This year has been his best year yet as far as going out into the brush away from me. I have no doubts I could take him solo and shoot a rabbit, might take a bit. He just sucks at a check or getting the rabbit up that first time, mean to say but blunt and simple. Everything else he's a million dollar dog. Most intense dog on hunting I've seen.
 

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He is over 3 years. I haven't soloed him much at all and it's been awhile since I last have. This year has been his best year yet as far as going out into the brush away from me. I have no doubts I could take him solo and shoot a rabbit, might take a bit. He just sucks at a check or getting the rabbit up that first time, mean to say but blunt and simple. Everything else he's a million dollar dog. Most intense dog on hunting I've seen.
And smart rabbits lol yes. I've had a coyote hunting with my dogs before. The rabbits also love to use the creek as a way to lose my dogs too. Make big circles then cut through the center and jump the creek then jump back. This Male crosses water no problem.
 

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AMMO- solo him and just take him hunting, let his instincts take over, with running, hunting he will get a little better, be patient with him. That type of dog needs to have a lot of rabbits shot over him to help him get better. Let him figure out the check as well. Don't help him unless you know for sure its a loss. When he comes into a check, look at your watch and time him to see how it takes to get it going again. Hopefully the time will get shorter. Remember conditions have a lot on how they run- ................
 

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I have a dog the same way he hunts like the devil but don't jump many rabbits I'm going to say my dog doesn't have a weak nose he straightens out tracks and he is pretty fair in the check I have seen him enough to know he does not have a weak nose just ain't good at jumping rabbits, he is my 3 year old dog I call Junior excellent puppy starter and very solid on a track just can't jump too good and I don't know why, it is whatever it is to be sure
 

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Every dog in the pack has its place, so if they are weak in jumping a rabbit but their strength is in some thing else what's wrong with that.
Nothing and I agree, that's why you a pack. Together they are strong, unfortunately this case is different. If he can't smell what she can the their not gonna hunt together thus both soloing and why take 2 or feed 2.
Last time out he found a rabbit she worked it for him but he stayed behind at the check. She continued it in a circle then he moves over and hits the rabbit track but in the middle of the circle up from where she worked it. How would you ever get the rabbit to the gun like that?
My current plan is to solo the female and get a video tomorrow morning for you guys. Tomorrow afternoon I'm going to solo the Male and get a video for you guys and then go from there. Maybe he just needs the guys ran out of him but he's over 3 and if he can't smell he can't smell. I'm lost and I wish someone lived close to come watch them.
 

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I soloed both this morning. Started with a frost then heated up 45 degrees or so. No wind when I had the female out first but a lot of wind when the Male was out. The videos are too long to upload and I can't shorten them. I may use my wife's phone to shorten them later today.

The female barks at way to old of a track to be effective solo. She barked for 45 minutes never producing a rabbit. I don't suspect she was ghost trailing as she was trying her heart out sometime moving her head around. Never left the lanes just worked up them. She went .65 miles on the tracker and no rabbit, no circles.

The male did really good. He moved the rabbit but I wouldn't say raced the rabbit. He made a half circle with it, backtracked and hit another rabbit I suspect. Watching him find it at one point when he barked at the ground from scent he ran forward clear across the lane with his head up about 15 feet before dropping his nose to smell again. Isn't that the trait of a jump dog? Not one that has his nose down but one rhe just looks for the rabbit? What if that's his issue, he smells then jerks forward 5 feet?
I have a really good video from last year I shoot a rabbit then recorded them about 40 yards from it to see how they worked up to it. Female awesome line control worked it like a turtle. Male barks jerks 5 to 10 feet toward, doesn't smell then runs back and gets it again.
I'm off for 11 days Christmas shutdown. Maybe I need to him twice a day every day alone instead of using this time to travel around.
I'll try to get those videos but that female isn't training pups if there's a light frost and she barks trailing for 45 minutes and no rabbit nor a hint of circling.
 

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I also gave them dog bones to help with their teeth and possible bad breath. I'm getting barn lime to throw down under the kennel even though it smells fine to me. I use cedar chips, is that an issue due to the cedar smell? Is cedar chips good insulation like straw?
 

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I also gave them dog bones to help with their teeth and possible bad breath. I'm getting barn lime to throw down under the kennel even though it smells fine to me. I use cedar chips, is that an issue due to the cedar smell? Is cedar chips good insulation like straw?
Get rid of the cedar chips, put some hay as their bedding. The cedar chips might be a problem. Hay works I think better then straw, provides a good bedding and heat in the box.
Where are you are running at? Private land, public land, fenced in area. Why are there lanes cut? You mentioned dog loses a rabbit and hits another one no wonder they can’t run one they are bouncing from rabbit and rabbit.JMO

The mouthy female needs to get into the brush and quit staying on the trails/lanes. You might have to jump a rabbit with her and put her on it to see if she moves the line, doesn’t back track and moves the rabbit. Don’t want her blowing holes into the grounds. JMO
 
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