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Serious question Huntsman, what does the vaccine have to do with reaching herd immunity , The Europeans certainly had herd immunity to small pox and there was no vaccine that I know of, but the native Americans had no previous exposure to small pox and when exposed it nearly wiped them out, not sure what the vaccine has to do with it, help me out here to better understand. Thanks
That's a good and serious question.I'm not Huntsman but I'll take a shot at it.To start from the beginning,smallpox was the first vaccine developed,after it was noticed that milkmaids and dairy farmers didn't develop smallpox as much.Even unvaccinated Europeans had been exposed enough to smallpox to have some antibodies to it, but native americans did not and were more vulnerable.Fast foreward to now.Herd immunity will be reached when enough of the population has antibodies to covid that the virus has a hard time finding a vulnerable person to infect.The virus doesn't care if any one person has antibodies from being exposed or from a vaccine,but it does matter as far as the number of folks who get sick getting to herd immunity.Also,it makes a potentially huge difference in the chances it gives the virus to mutate into a vaccine resistant strain.Each new person it infects is a new chance to mutate,and that matters.I know this doesn't address concerns about vaccine safety,but I hope it answers your question.[/QUOTE]

So in other vaccines your body is building immunity because it's exposing your immune system to the virus .
None of these vaccines builds herd immunity because they don't have the virus in them.With two of the vacs they shoot a genic code in you to try and get your body to make copies of spike protein and infect the cells . This is supposed to stimulate your immune system producing antibodies your body is supposed to remember if your ever infected with the virus . The vaccine will not ever build herd immunity best case is it will limit the severity's of the virus . Now if everyone gets exposed to it healthy immune systems will build immunity some will die just like the flu . The flu has been around for years no vaccine to stop it this is the same only our bodies didn't have exposure before so it takes time for herd immunity. From all the readings I've read this is what I've come up with can the vaccine save you possibly can you still die from covid if you get it yes just a very slight less chance . Me personally I don't believe I want the vaccine it has metal in it they use aborted babies from the 80s to help create them . But with my job I may be forced to or get fired that is what is not right about all of this if you do your research and believe the vaccine will help you then take it if you believe it won't then don't . These people saying the unvaccinated are endangering the vaccinated is all the more reason for me not to get it . It makes no since and is a terrible argument on why you should get it .


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I don't care if you want the vaccine or not, thats your business and I definitely don't want the gov. To mandate it.
With that said.
My 30 year old healthy son and his wife are both very sick with covid, thats where I got it. They were not vaccinated. I was vaccinated and so far just a cough. No fever, no shortness of breath, no body aches, nothing. And I have stage four lung cancer to boot on cancer treatments. And have had my upper left lung removed. So I am now a believer in the vaccine.
Two days ago I never really gave it much thought.
Glad your not having much symptoms from it .


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I think it’s close to 75% of adults in the U.S. have now had at least one dose. But it’s the other 25% who are filling up ICUs today.
I just had a buddy die two weeks ago he was vaccinated. Know of a few people unvaccinated that were sick for a few days but are on the mend know others that are vaccinated that have minor symptoms know some unvaccinated that tested positive with little to no symptoms.

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I just had a buddy die two weeks ago he was vaccinated. Know of a few people unvaccinated that were sick for a few days but are on the mend know others that are vaccinated that have minor symptoms know some unvaccinated that tested positive with little to no symptoms.

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I don’t understand, Bear. I am sure what you say is true, but data clearly suggests the unvaccinated are driving the overwhelming majority of deaths and hospital admissions at this time.

I can tell you this: My wife works for a healthcare system. She tells me there is not an ICU bed available anywhere in our area, and the ERs are full of (unvaccinated) COVID patients waiting to go to ICU. If someone has a car accident, heart attack, etc, I don’t know what happens to them now.

Getting the vaccine may save your life, and it’s doing the right thing for your fellow man, too.
 

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prayers for speedy recovery~
i just got second shot of maderna----first made me the sickest i have ever been----heart doctor told me to not take the second shot---was due april3rd
just had a visit with pulmonologist and he said go get it NOW and was upset that the heart specialist told me not to take it----in so many words he insinuated if i didnt get it and ended up with covid i was on my on
man I know what you went through, I was dead set on not getting it period, then when this other wave came through wife begged me to get it done, I to have a heart condition and along with Diabetes went ahead and got it done, of course I got sick as a dog on BOTH shots! Knocked me down for a day and 1/2 on both of them
 

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I don’t understand, Bear. I am sure what you say is true, but data clearly suggests the unvaccinated are driving the overwhelming majority of deaths and hospital admissions at this time.

I can tell you this: My wife works for a healthcare system. She tells me there is not an ICU bed available anywhere in our area, and the ERs are full of (unvaccinated) COVID patients waiting to go to ICU. If someone has a car accident, heart attack, etc, I don’t know what happens to them now.

Getting the vaccine may save your life, and it’s doing the right thing for your fellow man, too.
There you go with saying me not being vaccinated is unsafe for my fellow man if they are vaccinated and if it's so great me being unvaccinated shouldn't affect them . That is the worst argument I've ever heard for me to get vaccinated makes no since . From what I've read if you had covid your natural immunity is doing better protecting against the virus then if you had the vaccine. I'm not saying it's correct but it's enough for me to not want the vaccine just from people I know and their experiences doing my own research on how these people were affected . I've known over 10 people personally that have died from covid that were unvaccinated most before vaccine was available. I've known hundreds that have had it and came out healthy . I've known people who got the vaccine and haven't been good for months because of the shot Ive known people that have the shot and had no affects at all from it some were sick a couple days . What I'm saying is from my small community and people I know this vaccine does not seem to stop the spread protect you from getting it or from dieing from it . Older people are more vulnerable to covid so if the shot drops your chance of doing from say two percent to 1 percent and if that is your choice to get it get it . But if you are young and your chance of dieing is .005 and the vaccine is .003 that's not enough for me to get it and worry about the side affects from this vaccine. If it was like the flu vaccine where they were injecting my body with a dead or weakend virus I would go ahead and get it . But they are not putting metal and aborted fetal matter inside my body if I can help it .

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bear128: I can see you’ve done your own research project and made up your mind. Guess the CDC and others are producing false data, in your opinion. I wish you well. Hope you don’t join the other unvaccinated folks heavily taxing our healthcare system today.
 

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There you go with saying me not being vaccinated is unsafe for my fellow man if they are vaccinated and if it's so great me being unvaccinated shouldn't affect them . That is the worst argument I've ever heard for me to get vaccinated makes no since . From what I've read if you had covid your natural immunity is doing better protecting against the virus then if you had the vaccine. I'm not saying it's correct but it's enough for me to not want the vaccine just from people I know and their experiences doing my own research on how these people were affected . I've known over 10 people personally that have died from covid that were unvaccinated most before vaccine was available. I've known hundreds that have had it and came out healthy . I've known people who got the vaccine and haven't been good for months because of the shot Ive known people that have the shot and had no affects at all from it some were sick a couple days . What I'm saying is from my small community and people I know this vaccine does not seem to stop the spread protect you from getting it or from dieing from it . Older people are more vulnerable to covid so if the shot drops your chance of doing from say two percent to 1 percent and if that is your choice to get it get it . But if you are young and your chance of dieing is .005 and the vaccine is .003 that's not enough for me to get it and worry about the side affects from this vaccine. If it was like the flu vaccine where they were injecting my body with a dead or weakend virus I would go ahead and get it . But they are not putting metal and aborted fetal matter inside my body if I can help it .

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This is for anyone to answer. How do we really know what's in any vaccine, flu shot, diabetic injection, cold medicine, or baby aspirin.
 

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bear128: I can see you’ve done your own research project and made up your mind. Guess the CDC and others are producing false data, in your opinion. I wish you well. Hope you don’t join the other unvaccinated folks heavily taxing our healthcare system today.
The CDC is saying the same thing I'm saying you can die If your vaccinated you can get sick if your vaccinated that's the reason they are saying vaccinated people have to wear a mask not just unvaccinated people .


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bear128: I can see you’ve done your own research project and made up your mind. Guess the CDC and others are producing false data, in your opinion. I wish you well. Hope you don’t join the other unvaccinated folks heavily taxing our healthcare system today.
That your less likely to see bad symptoms or less likely to die . Look at the death rate in young people vaccinated or unvaccinated that they give you it's not a big difference .

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Fires on the West Coast, floods on the East Coast and Covid throughout the world. CHRONICLES 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
 

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OldManJim you did a great job in explaining the process of herd immunity and the vaccine's role in moving us in that direction. Well said and should be read and heeded by the skeptics on covid-19 and it "mutant forms".
And explaining why vaccinated people are the main cause of the virus mutating.
Well I got the antibodies infusion today. So I still don't feel too bad, had a rough night with fever and chills, feel better now.
Glad the infusion helped Spani, hopefully you have a good night and the worst is behind you
 
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