fault(s) you wont tolerate in a dog

Discussion in 'Rabbit Hunting and Beagling' started by FB, Dec 1, 2009.

  1. FB

    FB Administrator Staff Member

    I know there's no such thing as a perfect dog but what are traits you wont tolerate?

    Mouthy and no hunt are two that'll get you gone from my pen in a hurry. I can put up with a little bit of extra mouth if theyll produce a rabbit pretty quick but barking in the check area or too much cold trailing irritates the hell out of me.

    Over running the line and causing breakdowns is pretty high on my list too.
     
  2. John Taylor

    John Taylor Active Member

    traits

    I cannot tolerate a back tracker. Don't mind one that goes 3 or 4 feet back on the line to work out a check but those that run the full line back have to go. No hunt at all, papers get torn up and they get a new home. Now for some if they don't know how to work my dogs they may seem to have little hunt, but I will walk my dogs in the cover then back off and let them work. At trials my dogs act like they have little hunt because usually the gallery or other handlers are going through the cover fast and don't let the dogs get out and work themselves. One that doesn't hark in to packmates is useless to me also. May make a good dog for the person who only wants one dog, but I would not keep and breed one. Oh, forgot, SHYNESS, seems some strains show shyness more then others, some just need to be socilized but some it is genetics. Dog that is shy to the point is cannot be handled or will not hunt with strangers should not be bred if found to be genetics.

    John
     

  3. No Hunt, Back Tracking, Ghost Trailing (This one will get you lead poisoning).
     
  4. Crofford

    Crofford New Member

    Lack of hunt I can't stand a dog that won't hunt.
     
  5. MackC

    MackC Moderator

    1. Shyness, 2. No hunt, 3. Backtracking, 4. Not hunting with me (tri tronics fixes this), 5. Incorrect use of mouth, (too much or too little), 6. Over competiveness, 7. I used to say trash running was #1 but now I have Mr. tri tronics on my team!, 8. Anything else that disrupts a smooth run.
     
  6. Echo Hill's

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    Someone said that there is no perfect hound just the ones that we can tolerate. Some can tolerate much more than I can to say the least but they are the ones that feed them. Below are just some of what will send one down the road with me! Good hounds eat less feed than sorry hounds (this is a fact, they get to run more and need more rest)

    1. No HUNT
    2. Incorrect use of Mouth.. Too much,too little,barking in the pen, all over the woods etc etc
    3. Laziness .....I like busy hounds that act like they want to be out there for as long as I want to stay. (Quitters won't go down the road)

    James
     
  7. RKW

    RKW New Member

    Shyness, Gun Shyness, No Hunt, Backtracking. Any one of these puts the dog an my cull list immediately and I don't mean trying to sell him to someone else either. If someone wants a pet for free, " OK ", if not " Goodby". I prefer the latter to keep a dog from becoming an inferior breeder for someone trying to make a buck. Just my thoughts an the matter.:whistle:

    Thanks,

    Roger
     
  8. Echo Hill's

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    Most people do not cull hounds like they used to do. If you move it along to someone at least be honest with them about why you are getting rid of it. As I said earlier , what I might not tolerate,someone else may. Example: I will not keep one that continues to pop out on the side trying to get to the front but a rabbit hunter might not care. I hate a hound that has to have the front all the time at no cost, others love to see their hound on the front, to heck with how he/she got there. I hate a hound that won't slot up when the pack is advancing a line at a steady forward pace... a rabbit hunter might say , these ain't ducks that should waddle along in a straight line. 5 abreast is OK with them but then again its what they will tolerate that matters.

    James
     
  9. Terrific post James, what one man hates another might not mind at all
     
  10. RKW

    RKW New Member

    I don't know any hunter that wants a gunshy dog, you can't catch, that won't hunt, and backtracks.:headscratch: Gunshyness is probably a learned trait but the others are more than likely inherent and not suitable for improving the breed.
     
  11. Echo Hill's

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    I totally agree that gun shyness is learned fault. Fireworks have ruined hounds for people before they know it. Shooting directly over or too close to young inexperienced pups can certainly cause it. Mr Lynn Oswalt (Swinging O beagles) starts his babies out with training before their eyes are even open. He actually startled me with the noises he accustoms his little pups to before he introduces them to gunfire. He lets the top of their brooder box fall with a huge thud that will make you jump if you are not ready. He bangs on their feed pan and gets them used to loud sounds before they know anything different. He says he has never had a gun shy hound and I would believe that! Its an amazing thing to see but my wife and I was there and saw it personally the puppies didn't even flinch. This man has a world of experience with training hounds, this seems to be a great idea that I would never have thought of.

    James
     
  12. Rob Maynard

    Rob Maynard New Member

    1 coldtrailing
    2no hunt
    3 backtracking
    All of these will get you culled quickly
     
  13. cdp

    cdp New Member

    1. No Hunt
    2. Gun Shy
    3. Running trash often
    4. Playing around in the field.( when the tail gate drops the bs better stop )
     
  14. dbounds

    dbounds New Member

    Backtracking and cold trailing. I don't mind a dog tacking a rabbit then jumping it in a reasonable distance or time. A bark here then another bark in 30 yards or so maybe one more then I want them to jump. This is just my opinion and I don't mean to offend anyone, but I hear a lot of guys say that the dog that cold trails just has a bigger nose. I dissagree I think it has a smaller brain.
     
  15. No hunt , back tracking,
     
  16. beagleman01

    beagleman01 Active Member

    babbling
    no hunt
    back trackng
     
  17. Back Tracking ... No hunt ... Not harking to a jump.
     
  18. Laneline

    Laneline New Member

    #1 - Laziness “No Hunt”, is the worst in my opinion. I would rather have a dog to go out and do something wrong opposed to doing nothing at all. {not that I like dogs with faults}

    #2 - Stupidity “lack of brains”, I believe the reason some dogs have more faults then others "continuously" is not because they lack the traits “or tools”, but it is because they are to ignorant to use what they have. Some dogs do lack the natural ability, but a really smart dog can compensate when he actually lacks in ability and he makes adjustments and finds a way. But a dog that is stupid…… well, stupid things is what he does, because he can’t learn from his mistakes.

    I had a little female years ago. I got her at 8 months old. I put her in my pen, she would dig out. I fixed that and she than would climb out. I would fix that and she would find a weak spot in the fence and chew and pull until she could squeeze out. Meanwhile the rest of the dogs would just stand and watch. I fixed that and she found out how to jump up and to use her nose to unlatch the gate. I put her in a off the ground pen and after I opened the lid on the dog house just a couple of times to look in, she learned how to push open the lid with her head and slide out to get loose. She didn’t run away and she never left the yard. She just teased the other hounds and than came up on the porch. That dog would fetch a ball and do other things that most “beagles” just don’t do. I thought she was more trouble than she was worth, until I got her started.

    When you hunted with her, she always did exactly what you thought a dog should be doing. It was like she would walk through and she was thinking to herself, “if I was a rabbit, where would I be”, and then she would go right to that spot. Some hounds are narrow minded and can only utilize 1 or 2 of their senses “at the same time”, while dogs with more brains “smarter” are alert to all their senses and in harmony can use their nose to scent, ears to listen for the rabbit or a pack member and their eyes to look right, left and ahead, and can do it “all at the same time” instinctively or “naturally”. Some even learn to anticipate and guess what the rabbit will do next and have the ability to gear-up or gear-down according to conditions. But when she did make mistakes, she learned from them and rarely made them again very many times.

    My only problem with her, she was a grade dog and was about an 1/8 fox terrier. She was great for gun hunting, but I had committed myself to registered dogs only so I never bred her. That was in the mid 80’s and I have only had a few that could compare to her since. I have had a lot of “what ifs” over the years thinking back at her, but it was her brains that made the difference and some people don’t even think about “brains” or how smart a dog is “or not” when considering a stud dog or breeding.
     
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