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I believe Greenie said that his crop of Mack Truck pups gained a few extra steps in foot speed after he sold a couple. From what I've seen, it just depends on the pup. No different than any other line. I've had one from a proven, highly esteemed line that never started but his brother is good'un
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My Mack pup started at 5 months old on the 3rd rabbit I put him on. By 6 months old he was circling rabbits solo. It did take several tries to get him to pack up. I have heard some guys say they are slower to start than other lines.
Most pups from this line start early if given the opportunity.More often than not they tend to start a little careful and tend to put on foot to a couple of no years old and i have seen more.Got a couple off of my Money male and a Mack gyp that plumb make me nervous.Way quicker than i like right now but they seem to be doing it right I just would love for them to dial it down a notch for a bit.
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They may settle with some age Jeffro they may not.
I know you already know this but maybe it may help a young person.
Quit running them together for a while and maybe period for some time. I have found it is not always good to run them. Many times it isn't. With real talented young hounds timing can be the difference between make a break.
When I get some young dogs that start unusually too talented that can just run the piss out a rabbit I put them up and quit running them completely and just forget about them as they don't need to get any better as they are born knowing how to do it. I have let some set up a year or even way more soloing them a couple time a year or so. I find if you keep running this super talented kind they get "TOO GOOD" if you get my drift.
Putting them in kennel and forgetting about them and breaking them out again after a long lay off has allowed their (mind) to mature and to catch up with their zestful youthful zeal and ability and some of them end up perfect in the end.
I have found through the years some hounds need lots and lots of running packing and soloing to get them up to here they need to be and some need no running at all and need to be put up and Not run and aged like fine wine with no running.
The old brace beaglers were famous for starting pups and never running them and that is what kept them right where they wanted them standing on their head and barking on one track as much and as long as possible before taking the next step. They call that staying POWER! I know that is not what you want but the process works if applied to each hounds different needs.
If a see a young hound gradually moving in a directing I don't like and they are very talented I lay them up and we re-group later on before it becomes a habit. This works good a lot of time. That is why I never run good young hounds without following and watching them as I need to know what they are doing and are they moving tin the right or the wrong direction. If I aint watching I'm guessing and I can't help them as they are on their own. Young hounds need to be led in the way..... they should go …..sometimes they need our help. JMO
Anyway there are a lot of different things that can be done with young hounds that are quick, or slow after they are started and evaluated to position them for success if you have the time, space and desire to do so. Some guys are very talented at reading dogs and giving each one exactly what that hound needs. They finished lots of great hounds by knowing when their peak time was to be run and how to run them and how much before turning them loose on the trial circuit.
Mr. Chester Berry was one that was great at this..Donald Gallion, Troy Barber, Kevin and Kenny Moore were some others that could turn a hound which ever way they wanted. There are many more.
I know you already know this but maybe it may help a young person.
Quit running them together for a while and maybe period for some time. I have found it is not always good to run them. Many times it isn't. With real talented young hounds timing can be the difference between make a break.
When I get some young dogs that start unusually too talented that can just run the piss out a rabbit I put them up and quit running them completely and just forget about them as they don't need to get any better as they are born knowing how to do it. I have let some set up a year or even way more soloing them a couple time a year or so. I find if you keep running this super talented kind they get "TOO GOOD" if you get my drift.
Putting them in kennel and forgetting about them and breaking them out again after a long lay off has allowed their (mind) to mature and to catch up with their zestful youthful zeal and ability and some of them end up perfect in the end.
I have found through the years some hounds need lots and lots of running packing and soloing to get them up to here they need to be and some need no running at all and need to be put up and Not run and aged like fine wine with no running.
The old brace beaglers were famous for starting pups and never running them and that is what kept them right where they wanted them standing on their head and barking on one track as much and as long as possible before taking the next step. They call that staying POWER! I know that is not what you want but the process works if applied to each hounds different needs.
If a see a young hound gradually moving in a directing I don't like and they are very talented I lay them up and we re-group later on before it becomes a habit. This works good a lot of time. That is why I never run good young hounds without following and watching them as I need to know what they are doing and are they moving tin the right or the wrong direction. If I aint watching I'm guessing and I can't help them as they are on their own. Young hounds need to be led in the way..... they should go …..sometimes they need our help. JMO
Anyway there are a lot of different things that can be done with young hounds that are quick, or slow after they are started and evaluated to position them for success if you have the time, space and desire to do so. Some guys are very talented at reading dogs and giving each one exactly what that hound needs. They finished lots of great hounds by knowing when their peak time was to be run and how to run them and how much before turning them loose on the trial circuit.
Mr. Chester Berry was one that was great at this..Donald Gallion, Troy Barber, Kevin and Kenny Moore were some others that could turn a hound which ever way they wanted. There are many more.
Mitch i have split these two up for the time being and been running them with a couple older males.It seems to be helping and they are not quite as competitive with them as they are with one another.These pups go back to Jeff Grimes Jesse dog a couple of times so it didn’t surprise me for them to be a little steppy and from what i understand from a buddy that is helping me with starting these They got two sisters that are the same way.
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That is some good stuff you got there. You know what your doing.
I usually don't run littermates together much at first as they compete from birth for teats, milk, mothers attention and affection, food, status in the litter, my attention and their dominion within the litter.
I like to break them up once started to move away from that emotional, mental social order of the litter (pack) they have already formed and developed prior to starting.
I like them to learn how to run a rabbit before they start competing.
I talked to Mr. Jeff this morning. Man that made me feel good. My wife and I sure do love and miss Mr. Jeff, Keith and that whole beautiful family of good people. I remember my wife and I going run dogs with them all weekend and going to church and listen to Jeff preach on Sunday then going to granny's to eat a Sunday feast! Some of the best days of our life. Running dogs all day, going to BIG field trials where they gave testimony and asked did anyone want to accept Jesus as Lord and be born again. Running with all kinds of famous dogs and people, killing rattle snakes, looking at old famous dogs all over Alabama running them and talking smack for hours and meeting all the old great hero's of beagling. Laughing till I couldn't breath all day and night long. Heaven on earth. That dog gone Mr.Kenneth is a another great one for sure!!!
I usually don't run littermates together much at first as they compete from birth for teats, milk, mothers attention and affection, food, status in the litter, my attention and their dominion within the litter.
I like to break them up once started to move away from that emotional, mental social order of the litter (pack) they have already formed and developed prior to starting.
I like them to learn how to run a rabbit before they start competing.
I talked to Mr. Jeff this morning. Man that made me feel good. My wife and I sure do love and miss Mr. Jeff, Keith and that whole beautiful family of good people. I remember my wife and I going run dogs with them all weekend and going to church and listen to Jeff preach on Sunday then going to granny's to eat a Sunday feast! Some of the best days of our life. Running dogs all day, going to BIG field trials where they gave testimony and asked did anyone want to accept Jesus as Lord and be born again. Running with all kinds of famous dogs and people, killing rattle snakes, looking at old famous dogs all over Alabama running them and talking smack for hours and meeting all the old great hero's of beagling. Laughing till I couldn't breath all day and night long. Heaven on earth. That dog gone Mr.Kenneth is a another great one for sure!!!
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Mitch, I do not know you, but I agree with your comments on how to train young dogs. There is some WISDOM in your training methods.
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Thank you Mr. Roger...... but.... if there is any..... WISDOM... in or around anything..... associated to me or with me... I promise you sir …..it is a total accident....as.... I am completely oblivious to ...WISDOM....as I would not recognize any if it fell on me but I imagine you can so I'll take your good word on it sir.
Thanks you.
Thanks you.
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