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Just wanted to see if anybody wise had run into this problem before on here and what they did about it. I've got a bitch about 7 years old that has been one of the best jump dogs I've ever had and great rabbit dog all around. I bred her last year and got some really good pups out of her but now her behavior has changed. Half the time she wont run or hunt and will just stay at my feet. When she does want to run she will do just good as she ever has but she just ain't as reliable as she was before having that litter. Never had this problem before just wondering if any of yall have heard of it and whether i can "fix" her or whether she is busted now.

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Is she a front running dog and now is being bumped by other dogs and comes out of the race. Maybe run with other dogs not as fast or rough.
Is she shying because coyotes or deer are nearby, she's been deer broke and doesn't like yotes. Solo her and gradually put her with a dog her speed that she controls most of the running. Confidence thing.
Maybe its POST-PARTUM DEPRESSION. JMO
You may never know why?
 

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Is she a front running dog and now is being bumped by other dogs and comes out of the race. Maybe run with other dogs not as fast or rough.
Is she shying because coyotes or deer are nearby, she's been deer broke and doesn't like yotes. Solo her and gradually put her with a dog her speed that she controls most of the running. Confidence thing.
Maybe its POST-PARTUM DEPRESSION. JMO
You may never know why?

She aint ever run anything but rabbit since she was a puppy and yea she is a front runner. Still a strong runner when she goes it's just hard to say whether she is gonna go or not. She might be slowly getting better about it since she started doing it but I'm still wondering what caused it at all. Might try running her by her self and see how that helps thanks!
 

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I've had it happen. Bred my 6yr. old female did what yours is doing. She never got better only got worse. Made a house pet out of her. She was raised in the house and became a rabbit dog later. She didn't raise a pup from the only litter she ever had.What a waste. She was as good a rabbit dog as I've ever owned. I've owned other dogs that were 6 to 10 yrs old that got to so they were in and out of runs all females but I run mostly females. It took me a while to figure out what was happening to my older dogs. Most of my hunting is done 2 to 3 hours driving time one way. A 4 to 6 hour hour trip at least a dozen hunting trips not counting all the 1hr. trips to run before and after hunting season. They were slowly loosing their hearing. All the high pitch air through the small cracks around the doors and vents over time had damaged their hearing. Not saying that's what's happened to your female. Could be a lot of other reasons. You could be pulling her. I've owned dogs and when they got older the younger dogs in the pack would keep them shut out of a run. I've had them come out go jump another rabbit and run it alone until the other dogs came in and took it away from them. I've owned a few dogs that were broke by shocking collars and if they crossed a hot deer line during a rabbit race they would leave the run and go to the truck because they didn't want to be shocked. Really hard to say why after having pups she runs when she wants to. My female that had pups never got better only worse. I doubt crossing off game lines is the problem .If you've had her several years the off game lines quitting would have showed up before now. It takes me a long time to put all this in a post. I would much rather talk dogs on the phone. Hope the post police don't Scholl me for my grammar skills. Lack of. I know im limited.
 

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I've had it happen. Bred my 6yr. old female did what yours is doing. She never got better only got worse. Made a house pet out of her. She was raised in the house and became a rabbit dog later. She didn't raise a pup from the only litter she ever had.What a waste. She was as good a rabbit dog as I've ever owned. I've owned other dogs that were 6 to 10 yrs old that got to so they were in and out of runs all females but I run mostly females. It took me a while to figure out what was happening to my older dogs. Most of my hunting is done 2 to 3 hours driving time one way. A 4 to 6 hour hour trip at least a dozen hunting trips not counting all the 1hr. trips to run before and after hunting season. They were slowly loosing their hearing. All the high pitch air through the small cracks around the doors and vents over time had damaged their hearing. Not saying that's what's happened to your female. Could be a lot of other reasons. You could be pulling her. I've owned dogs and when they got older the younger dogs in the pack would keep them shut out of a run. I've had them come out go jump another rabbit and run it alone until the other dogs came in and took it away from them. I've owned a few dogs that were broke by shocking collars and if they crossed a hot deer line during a rabbit race they would leave the run and go to the truck because they didn't want to be shocked. Really hard to say why after having pups she runs when she wants to. My female that had pups never got better only worse. I doubt crossing off game lines is the problem .If you've had her several years the off game lines quitting would have showed up before now. It takes me a long time to put all this in a post. I would much rather talk dogs on the phone. Hope the post police don't Scholl me for my grammar skills. Lack of. I know im limited.
She might get beter with solo time. She may still be soft from the pups.
 

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I have a male that did the same thing . He use to have the truest mouth , when you heard him you new to take the safety off . He was my first dog and at one time my best . He is a front running dog , but then he got to coming back to my feet when the hunt was slow . Next he started giving a lot of extra mouth , you couldn’t trust his mouth anymore . He also developed a breathing problem when I run him if it is warm . I have had to carry him back . I had him checked for heartworms and he was negative . He doesn’t hunt with the pack anymore , but I run him around the house . He is still good at jumping a rabbit . I guess he is my kennel pet . He ran the heck out of one last Thursday and has the tore up ears to prove it .
 

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Had a young female a few years back that was running good , jumped lots of rabbits and packed well with my other dogs . Had actually an accidental breeding but it was to a good dog . Pups turned out good my dad still has one of them.
After she had the litter she never packed again most of the time she would just stand around and listen but every once in a while she would take off and jump a different rabbit while the others were running. Perfect for making a train wreck out of a good race she didn’t stick around long after that
 

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Yes I have.

I have seen it probably 8 or 10 times. I have seen it in a few famous dogs also.

Sometimes it is health related but lots of times it is not.

Lots of times those dogs already have those holes in them..... but..... NOT....Enough Pressure...…has been previously applied on them to..... TEST..... or...…SHOW... to bring it to the light. Sometimes the physiological and phycological pressures of carrying, delivering and weaning a litter of pups... is what it takes to bring out the QUIT ...lack of desire.....buried deep inside of a bloodline. With the proper amount of steady running and the right conditions with the right dogs you would be surprised who has...QUIT....Buried....IN THEIR GENE POOL TODAY!!!!
Yes e we do see it from time to time.......Long periods of Pressure is a great tool to test hounds.

"LARGE PACK DOG MEN KNOW THIS WELL and they TEST FOR IT!!

Here is an example..
Several times I have run down to a long, hot brace with some great winning dogs that were not used to getting beat previously at a trial in the heat and in very bad tuff, briareid up cover that just finally quit standing up on a hot rabbit, walked away and or eventually went and laid down and would run no more while my dog was pounding a marked rabbit in front of the judges. Nothing physically wrong with them, nothing. The problem no always but usually is usually a gameness problem.....I mean some very famous SPO blood Lines of TODAY!!!!!...... If they couldn't win and they got under some real physical and mental pressure they… lost gameness and.... QUIT....Cured Out….Standing up..…with all watching........won’t run no more….period.....Some go lay down and just listen when earlier they were doing very good. They can give a beating, but they can’t…TAKE ONE… That is called a… CUR…. in the Bull dog and boxing arenas.
The AKC has strict rules on QUITTING. You ought to hear all the lame, dumb, excuses given for famous QUITTERS…Famous CURS…It is hilarious! People just can’t get real sometimes.

So really, I don't know why that dog quit but above are a few examples of what I have seen make dogs quit.

Really......Only game dogs should be bred..... and..... most BEAGLE DOGS are not GAME tested today.
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Below is what the AKC says about Quitting.

5-C Definitions—29Faulty Actions​

Quitting is a serious fault deserving severe penalty and, in its extreme form, elimination.

1-Quitting indicates lack of desire to hunt and succeed. It ranges from the following;

A- refusing to run,

B- lack of perseverance, occasional letup of eagerness,

C- loafing or watching other hounds in difficult situations. Quitting is sometimes due to fatigue.


2-Judges may temper their distaste when a hound becomes fatigued and eases off, if such a hound has been required to perform substantially longer than those with which it is running. During the running of a class, a hound may have to face several fresh competitors in succession. In such instances, a short rest period would be in order.

3- Otherwise, Judges should expect hounds to be in condition to compete as long as necessary to prove their worthiness, and no hound that becomes unable to go on should place over any immediate running mate that is still able and willing to run.

So basically the AKC states in this section that Quitting is a "Serious Fault"....Caused by some "LACK" in a beagle. Lack of Desire, Lack of Desire to HUNT, Lack of Desire to Succeed.


Important----------Please take note to the following-----------

D- A hound does.... NOT.... need to.... STOP RUNNING.... to be a... "QUITTER"...….according to the AKC.

E- Lack of perseverance, occasional letup of eagerness is also considered.... "Quitting" .....by the AKC and thus a "Serious Fault" deserving "Severe Penalty" and should be by AKC judges today too.

F- Loafing or watching other hounds in difficult situations is also..... Quitting..... according to the AKC and thus a "Serious Fault" deserving "Severe Penalty" and should be by AKC judges today too.

Section.... 5-E Demerits

Quitting, backtracking, ghost trailing and running mute are the more serious faults.

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Thanks men for the responses! I'm just glad to know i ain't the only one that has experienced this! I'm gonna keep foolin with her and see if i can get her "hyped" back up about huntin by herself and maybe she will get her confidence back and not worry about the young hounds if that's her problem, ill keep yall posted on how it goes!

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Just curious, is the OG DaddyRabbit, Mr.Holcombe still living
That i do not know i had never heard of him until i started talkin to people from out of state about rabbit huntin and mentioned my papa's radio handle "daddy rabbit" which is where i got it from and they told me there was another"daddy rabbit" well known lived in GA i believe that's right. Other than that dont know much about him, I'm sure somebody on here knows!
 
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