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I believe dogs need to have manners. It’d drive me nuts if I had to wrestle them or hold em back when I want just one or two.
I never give dogs what they want when they do something I don’t like. Never reward bad behavior. Not knocking anyone’s style mind you this is just mine.
I believe in collaring dog’s while they stand like ladies or gentleman. It might take a bit if they came from somewhere else but they’ll learn. If I gotta fight them they’d be back in the box and prob not politely.
Bird dogs or beagles they stand nice than get turned loose.
 

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Bowguy1- I totally agree the dogs better stand when collars are being put on, don't bolt out of the box. I have bought a few dogs that never were taught manners. Stand when trimming nails, no kennel barking, come when called, and what ever else I feel is a problem. They will learn quick at my kennel, I do not tolerate it. I had numerous guys I have hunted with tell me I can't believe how well your dogs handle. Its the time I put in. They better or else, they learn! JMO
 

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Grizzly if that’s what you like it doesn’t. To me I’d wanna kill em. Imagine kids excited bout vacation. Pushing, shoving, etc trying to get off plane. To me that would be embarrassing. Same with collaring dogs or something. All the desire in the world is good when I say they can use it.
Gonna maybe explain it another way. Take a mma fighter. They’re def game n fired up. Most just before contain aggression because they need to.
just a dif way of viewing things. Could be determined of course by the areas too. In Maine running bear dogs if we didn’t have too many in the box legally we’d just open doors. Was ok there. I don’t think either is bad or good. Handlers discretion. Hope that made sense
 

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The one thing I try to focus on more than any other when training dogs is to gain control without breaking their spirit. I can live with barking at feed time or when I get home from work, jumping up on me when I walk into the kennel, or busting out of the dog box when we go hunting. That's why I very seldom strap an e-collar on them, to me it's just another easy way to break a dogs spirit. I raise my kids the same way, they know if they get to out of line they will get popped but in this world they are gonna need some spirit and I am not gonna be the one that takes it from them.
Not saying my way is the only way, it's just my way.
 

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Delmar Smith was a bird dog guy, finished lots of dogs and made plenty of national champions. That was one thing he always said, don’t take the hunt out of dog. I’ll be honest though nothing said detracts from that. Plenty of being a dog come hunt time. There’s always a leader w dogs. Can’t imagine any type pack from wolves to beagles starting at early ages when an older dog teaches them manners any different. Ya ever see pups, even than as rambunctious as they might be they still won’t cross established lines. If they do they get corrected same thing. Takes not a thing from em. Not swaying your thoughts another way to view it
 

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Grizzly if that’s what you like it doesn’t. To me I’d wanna kill em. Imagine kids excited bout vacation. Pushing, shoving, etc trying to get off plane. To me that would be embarrassing. Same with collaring dogs or something. All the desire in the world is good when I say they can use it.
Gonna maybe explain it another way. Take a mma fighter. They’re def game n fired up. Most just before contain aggression because they need to.
just a dif way of viewing things. Could be determined of course by the areas too. In Maine running bear dogs if we didn’t have too many in the box legally we’d just open doors. Was ok there. I don’t think either is bad or good. Handlers discretion. Hope that made sense
Understand your point of view but as I explained mine don’t bounce around like cat on the end of a string when I’m putting collars on. Or trimming nails, giving shots or otherwise they’re very calm. Not high strung in the least bit. Most times I don’t even have a leash with me. They’re just ready to go when that box opens. Doesn’t mean high strung unmannered dogs. I guess we’re just going to disagree on the meaning of that statement, which is fine
 

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Grizzly if that’s what you like it doesn’t. To me I’d wanna kill em. Imagine kids excited bout vacation. Pushing, shoving, etc trying to get off plane. To me that would be embarrassing. Same with collaring dogs or something. All the desire in the world is good when I say they can use it.
Gonna maybe explain it another way. Take a mma fighter. They’re def game n fired up. Most just before contain aggression because they need to.
just a dif way of viewing things. Could be determined of course by the areas too. In Maine running bear dogs if we didn’t have too many in the box legally we’d just open doors. Was ok there. I don’t think either is bad or good. Handlers discretion. Hope that made sense
I agree 100 percent HANDLER'S DISCRETION!
 
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