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Old 09-28-2013, 01:12 PM   #1
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Hi to all , I live in eastern Va. and i have been out of the rabbit running dog business for a while and im looking to get back in . the previous dogs i have run were just grade gun dogs . Now my daughter and i are looking to start back up . This time i Wanna get 4 already Running dogs to build off of . I am not familar with beagle blood lines and im open to n e and all suggestions as to which lines are better and where to find good dogs not someone elses culls. again i am completley new to the registered dog world and consider my self a newbie when it comes to that . Thanks in advance for any replies.



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Old 09-28-2013, 01:43 PM   #2
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you could look for differant trials in your area and just go to spectate . i would go to differant formats to see what fits your style and see how the ones you like are bred.



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Old 09-28-2013, 01:59 PM   #3
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thanks how do i find trials in my area i looked at akc website and came up with none in my area

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Old 09-28-2013, 02:10 PM   #4
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If you had some idea of what style and speed of hound you were looking for some guys on here might be able to point you in the right direction.A friend of mine Walter Salanova lives in Va. Briarfootkennel.If he dosn't have what you are looking for he might know where it is in your area.

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Old 09-28-2013, 02:39 PM   #5
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There are other registries than AKC. UKC has beagle events, PKC has beagle events, and so does ARHA. All have web sites on the Internet. The suggestion of going to trials is a good one. Beware, there are different types of trials and several different sets of rules beagles are judged by. Attend several if possible and try to find the style you like. Also, beware of sellers, not all are honest.

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Old 09-28-2013, 05:01 PM   #6
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i have been lucky and got a couple off of beaglesforsale online . i would say watch them run before you buy . i think if you know what style of dogs you want you can narrow it down to a couple different bloodlines to look at .

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Old 09-28-2013, 08:15 PM   #7
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ok well im looking for a line that handles well and runs a steady track at a medium speed i guess a 6 or so . i like a dog that opens good while on track . (not too tight mouth ) want them to really beat the bushes and hunt close and thourough. i guess im looking for the perfect pack lol. If u guys know a line that i should look at then im all ears .

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Old 09-29-2013, 09:02 AM   #8
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I like my Weir Creek hounds. They are consistent about running, move the rabbit at a medium to upper medium speed and are smart enough to craw when they have to. They hunt very well and have no problem getting in the thicket. Not everyone likes them but I do.

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Old 09-29-2013, 09:27 AM   #9
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thanks for the reply

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Old 09-29-2013, 08:10 PM   #10
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Gnatboy
I would go with blackcreek and or inline black jack
I have had a lot of different bloodlines. But all the dogs I have or have seen from these lines hunt hard and close with great line control.

Checkout my videos .
Go to YouTube.
Search bellmorekennels.
And just click on any video you see mercy Amy or Sara.
Just sold a female Katie to a board member and she going very well for him.

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Old 09-30-2013, 06:43 AM   #11
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gnatboy, your on the right track. Sounds like you already have a good idea what you want. I was going to say a blackcreek bred pack, but your kind of right in the middle of some great kennels from what i have viewed. Now the real fun begins. (Decisions-Decisions) Enjoy & let them hounds sing!

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Old 10-02-2013, 12:41 AM   #12
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ok well im looking for a line that handles well and runs a steady track at a medium speed i guess a 6 or so . i like a dog that opens good while on track . (not too tight mouth ) want them to really beat the bushes and hunt close and thourough. i guess im looking for the perfect pack lol. If u guys know a line that i should look at then im all ears .
there is an old saying---"Good dogs are where you find them". there is good in all lines as well as bad. From your statement you described blackcreek dogs.They are known for their hunt-grit-an most are med. to med+ speed with a good mouth.
go to different kennels and hunt with their dogs--IN THE WILD.
go to field trials and spectate.
go and hunt with any dog you buy before making the purchase. Then you will know whether or not it suits you Good Luck
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Old 10-02-2013, 05:48 AM   #13
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If you want something that runs a medium speed (6) stay away from blackcreek, like has been suggested just start looking for some reputable breederd or trialers in your area and go watch them run.

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Old 10-02-2013, 06:26 AM   #14
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Gunslinger show us what a med. 6 is.

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Old 10-02-2013, 06:48 AM   #15
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Here is a clip just taken this weekend at a NKC/ARHA Gundog pack trial I posted in the video section in case you missed it, and yes there is a blackcreek in there running. You make the call, I would for sure look up Walter as he is in your state. Good luck.

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Old 10-02-2013, 07:31 AM   #16
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That was a good run Plumber. Couldn't see much but it didn't sound like they were having many breakdowns. I would rate them a 6.5 on speed. A lot of SPO trials look like this.

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Old 10-02-2013, 07:39 AM   #17
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Gnatboy113 speed is judged different by everyone, 2 people can be watching the same dog run and both have a different opinion on what speed the dog is running. You will have to see for yourself to make the call on what speed you think a dog is. Here is the way I see it I run a faster type dog and I have heard alot of people with a fast dog say their dog is fast and runs a 8,9,10 my thought is this the rabbit is running the 10 so if your dog is a 10 he should be catching the rabbit. I have figured out one thing about people calling the speed,if the person has never ran fast dogs they will typically over state the speed on a slower pack and a person who is saying they run fast dogs will typically do the same thing. I have ran every speed made I think from a 0 a dog that won't run to a 11 a dog that can outrun the rabbit. The dogs above in my opinion, no disrespect to anyone they looked good, are running a flat 5. I am only stating what speed I think they are to show how one person would call a dog a 5 and one would call it something different, which one is right, who knows and who cares but people look at things different.

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Old 10-02-2013, 08:30 AM   #18
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Here is another clip of the same race. Forgot too say I started filming half way through the race. They circled this guy several times and saw this rabbit at least 10 times crossing the road. Everyone gets caught up on the speed scale, when really they should be looking at the gears in a hound. Thats what makes a true gundog in my book. The hounds you see above are tight and can drive it. They also can crawl if they got too. They are geared too run a rabbit in any condition good or bad and stay pretty tight in a check when the checks come. Keep the rabbit moving with little down time, rather it be walk it out, jog, or run em. If this pack is a flat med. say 5 I will take it all day long!

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I'm With you Plumber,I'ed love to run with and hunt over that pack any day.Speed and efficiency are two different things.Most checks are mistakes caused by the dogs.No doubt with a pack like that on it's tail given time if a rabbit doesn't hole up it will seize up and get caught.

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Old 10-02-2013, 10:39 AM   #20
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I like my Weir Creek hounds. They are consistent about running, move the rabbit at a medium to upper medium speed and are smart enough to craw when they have to. They hunt very well and have no problem getting in the thicket. Not everyone likes them but I do.
I'm a breeder of the Weir Creeks and I like them too!!!! LOL!!
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Old 10-02-2013, 12:41 PM   #21
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Well I guess you have figured out by now opinions on what bloodline and style of beagle you should get are all over the place. So I'll throw in mine, find some local guys that rabbit hunt and go see thier hounds run. If you don't know any local hunters then I would make another post on this site and ask about rabbit hunters within whatever radious from your house and I'll bet you will get some responses. I know I wouldn't want to drive all over the country just looking at random packs nor field trials. I wouldn't advice going to field trials to try to find what you want. Once again look for a rabbit hunter. One other piece of advice I always give guys looking to buy dogs, don't buy from anybody that is trying to sell, find what you like and you try to buy.

I will say this about one kennel that I think is somewhat near you. I don't know these folks personally but I have enjoyed some of the videos they have posted and I have been on their website. Skyview kennels has impressed me in lots of ways, check out their website then if you like what you see contact them.

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Old 10-02-2013, 03:43 PM   #22
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first you need a good lead dog that can run a rabbit then go from there second make sure every thing you see is for sale.a man sold me a pack but keep his lead dog sounded good behind her with out the lead dog on the ground not so good but you have to start some where if you wont a rabbit dog

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Old 10-02-2013, 07:50 PM   #23
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get a older dog thats proven. run it by itself. the speed doesnt matter. get pups or young dogs and break them yourself. you will enjoy training them then you know what you have not what someone else says.

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Here is another clip of the same race. Forgot too say I started filming half way through the race. They circled this guy several times and saw this rabbit at least 10 times crossing the road. Everyone gets caught up on the speed scale, when really they should be looking at the gears in a hound. Thats what makes a true gundog in my book. The hounds you see above are tight and can drive it. They also can crawl if they got too. They are geared too run a rabbit in any condition good or bad and stay pretty tight in a check when the checks come. Keep the rabbit moving with little down time, rather it be walk it out, jog, or run em. If this pack is a flat med. say 5 I will take it all day long!

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Old 10-05-2013, 05:37 AM   #25
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From what I could see I would say they are around a six also. I have been to a few two couple pack trials and taken hounds that run that speed (the speed of the hounds in the video) and the guys with the hounds that I consider true "two couple pack" style hounds would say they are a 7 speed and there hounds are a 5 but to me there hounds were running a 4 on speed or slower.
I would look at either Blackcreek or Weicreek depending on the speed I liked but a hound with great hunt and good line control would be a must.



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